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Shockingly, VU’s three best players played the most minutes today,

Lawrence-37
Manjon-33
Robbins-32

Interesting that a guy who was supposed to be out at least another 2 weeks, got busted open Tuesday night, took an elbow to the face today and had to come out, still played 10 more minutes today than what he has averaged this season.

Lawrence played 10 more minutes than he averages.

Manjon played 6 more minutes than he averages.

22 more minutes total than they normally get in a game, and VU needed all of those minutes to grab a win. Will be interesting to see if they each log similar minutes the rest of the season.

One Take Prior to the Current Season - Coaches on the Hot Seat


Interesting how Capel and Brownell (of course, assuming this was an accurate assessment) appear to have turned down the temperature on their respective seats while Hurley (Bobby) has posted a good overall record but ASU is only in 6th place in the PAC 12 standings. NCSU is 4th in the ACC, although I am not fully convinced that they will end up that high in the standings; the transfer portal May have saved Keatts his job (Burns, Joyner, Morsell). Mike Anderson's St. John's team is close to imploding; he has never had a losing record as a head coach and still may keep that record in tact this year due to one loss "pre-season") non-conference start to the year. Fox , Haase and Hopkins (Cal, Stanford and UW) all appear to be in trouble,

Facts and Results

I’ve seen the talk regarding Coach Stack on twitter and this board in the last few days. At the end of the day, a former Vanderbilt coach said it well: you are what your record says you are. Jerry gets paid handsomely to deliver results, and the results simply aren’t there. So please tell me what I’m missing.

Here are some facts:
  • We have one of the largest staffs in the country
  • We have a seemingly supportive administration with Diermeier and Lee
  • We’ve seen significant investment in facilities - locker room, new basketball building under construction in the north end zone, upgrades to Memorial
  • Stack signed an initial long-term contract (6 years) with a renewal this past offseason
I feel like Stack has had more support than any coach in the modern era. Now here are the results:
  • 0 NCAA tournament appearances - not even a bubble team
  • 1 postseason appearance (NIT)
  • An entire recruiting class transferred out and numerous other players have left as well
  • The best players in his tenure were recruited by Drew (Pippen and Lee)
  • We had a 57-point loss to Alabama in year 4
  • We lost the 3-point streak
  • Attendance seems to be at a historical low, and there’s a general apathy from the community (not totally this staff’s fault)
  • Players that have been with the program for multiple years that were brought in by this staff who still are not “bought in”
  • Stack has mishandled the media and fans on numerous occasions with the blocks on twitter and using statements like “planned loss”
  • SEC record of 16-45
  • Overall record of 39-66
I’ve heard all the excuses from former staffs about not being able to get recruits into school, but the days of Ron Mercer are long gone. True, this may limit the number of players you can go after, but I believe it’s much less of a limitation than it has been in the past. Additionally, Stack can point to injuries and bad luck, but everyone has these issues. Where’s the depth? What’s the contingency plan?

No one wants Stack to succeed more than me, but it’s hard to throw support his way when he’s clearly underperformed for so long while also providing little optimism for the future. The current state of the program squarely rests on his shoulders.

What am I missing? Does everyone else agree?

Is there a college hoops head coach that has had success with little college experience other than being a head coach?

I can only think of failures, but I’ve got to be forgetting someone , right:

Chris Mullins
Clyde Drexler
Patrick Ewing (went winless last yr in big East and has won once since this year)
Avery Johnson
Juwan Howard - TBD (trending wrong way)
Jerry Stackhouse (TBD - trending wrong way)
Penny Hardaway (TBD / great recruiter mixed results on floor so far)

Any I’m forgetting especially any that have been successful

Baseball: Who is the most under-rated Commodore player in the Tim Corbin era?

I know a fraction of what most on this board know about Vanderbilt baseball, and that is an insult to fractions. I am just wondering who you might think is the most under-rated player in the Tim Corbin era. I have two candidates, and it may well be pointed out to me how they were highly rated after all. Anyway, my two are Vince Conde and Conrad Gregor. Conde started the triple steal against Florida in the SEC Tournament, right? And Conrad was from Carmel, Indiana, where I went to high school my sophomore and junior years (way earlier than Conrad did). Thanks,

Premier league relegation and Stack

Premier League teams playing their guts out this morning. Some of them massively outmatched on paper. But in premier league, you are severely penalized for losing games because of the threat of relegation. So the bottom table teams keep grinding all season, changing coaches, changing tactics, picking up new players etc. Absolutely crushing from a fandom perspective and even moreso from a financial perspective if the team is relegated.

For Vandy basketball, Stackhouse seems to have the attitude that the long term (I don't know what that exactly means - maybe being more competitive the last few games of each season) is more important. When asked why he started a walk on that had no meaningful statistics - he has used statements like "(i)If that means sacrificing a few games" or he describes having a "scheduled loss." In premier league, you can't afford to just give up competitive advantages, or you will be sorely punished.

I am sure there is some esoteric, unprovable way in which one could argue that this Stackhouse style is better for players in the long run. One could possibly make an argument that perhaps Nesmith and Garland were trained so well by him that they were able to be NBA players. I think that argument has some merit, but not a slam-dunk.

I just wish that his methods results in more wins/season, I am so sick of losing.

MBB: How have our non-conference opponents fared so far this year?

Interesting to me to note the current conference rankings of the following teams:

Memphis - 3
Southern Miss - T1 (does not hold tie breaker)
Temple - 2
Morehead State - T1 (does not hold tie breaker)
St. Mary's - 1
Fresno State - T7
VCU - 1
Wofford - T4
Pitt - 3
Grambling - T3
NC State - T4
Alabama A&M - T6
SE Louisiana - 1

State of the program/Stackhouse contract, etc.

As of last week, I am told Vanderbilt wanted to make this work with Stackhouse, and was working with him to try to ease some of the hot-button issues (I presume Twitter-blocking would be one) and such in order to make a return more palatable. And maybe that accounts for a lot of the language he used in the media opportunity today, thinking that he felt safe based on communications with people at the school.

However, it's the opinion of some I speak with that the Alabama game could have changed things.

Specifically, multiple sources have told me the former player contingent (which had a hand in running Kevin Stallings out) isn't super pleased.

"It's gone from sadness to anger," and, "The former player crowd is fit to be tied," a source told me tonight, adding that the feelings among boosters were similar.

This source believes that whether Stackhouse will return will down to two things: whether the team can finish "with positive momentum going into next year and can he hold the roster intact?"

That makes Saturday's game against Ole Miss important.

"This game is to Vanderbilt what Tuesday's game was to Alabama. It's how to you respond to a loss that really bothers you."

As for transfers, the source believes there will be several--his opinion was that there would be "two or three" based on where things stand.

"Who am I and what is my role? Most of (the players) don't know," the source said.

A complicating factor, too, is injuries and whether those could be used as cover not to make a change. Further complicating that, it's believed that Jordan Wright will miss Saturday's game after the collision with Liam Robbins in Tuscaloosa on Saturday.

Another issue that has come up is money, and with that, an important thing that I learned tonight: a seperate source told me tonight that in addition to Stackhouse's buyout, his assistants also have multi-year deals with accompanying buyouts. Because of that, the source termed it "expensive to make a move."

The first source added some context to that.

"He's got the biggest assistant budget Vanderbilt's ever had. ... I don't know that it's unlimited but it's close," the source said. "At the end of his first year they had the second-highest payroll in the league behind Kentucky," adding he didn't know whether that was still true now.

That source didn't know the exact number of staff members, but the 16 staff members listed on Vanderbilt's official site (in addition to Stackhouse and his three assistants) would make that number 20.

The same source thinks it's a possibility that Vanderbilt could opt to not make a change to save money, but ultimately thinks that athletic director Candice Lee will yield to the wishes of chancellor Daniel Diermeier, whatever those may be.

Which brings us back to Saturday, which will be Vanderbilt's first game after the odd statements Stackhouse made to media on Thursday.

"He's basically put a flag in the ground of my way or the highway, and it's either going to work or not work," a source said.

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Football FIRE CLARK LEA

This is the 2nd consecutive coach that we have hired who needs 3 seasons of on-the-job training to be a marginally competent football coach. Unfortunately, that is 3 years of us paying him and 3 years of us falling further and further behind in our program. You can't pluck a "successful" DC from a high-academic school and expect it to work out. Stanford and Notre Dame have:

1) Tradition of winning at football
2) Facilities with alumni to build more
3) Much easier schedules than the SEC

Therefore, they can find better recruits right from the word go. Here's the thing about having superior recruits against every single team you play: they make the coaches look really good. That does not, DOES NOT demonstrate that said coordinator can actually coach worth a damn.

We learned this lesson with Mason who was hilariously out of his depth. And now we are witnessing the EXACT SAME THING HAPPEN WITH CLARK LEA. It would have hurt nothing for us to have let Lea become a head coach of a low-major program for 5 years, demonstrate his head coaching ability, and then hire him when he's good and ready. But apparently, our Chancellor and the PTB at the Board don't have the common sense to do that. WE COULD HAVE HIRED JAMEY CHADWELL, a guy who has already demonstrated his superior coaching by taking over 3 low-level programs and developing them into monsters, most recently in the past few years at Coastal Carolina, who I guarantee you would finish 2nd or 3rd in the SEC East this season. Yet here we are stuck with this good-for-nothing coordinator who is dangerously out of his depth and we as fans have to pay the price. No matter how terrible South Carolina is, you can always count on us to gift them a victory.

FIRE LEA!

Memorial Magic, it’s a way of life

I remember a few weeks/months ago there was a thread on here about Opryland theme park. Many of you all shared fond memories and sadness about it closing down. As a 30 year old “out of towner” I never got to experience that place. However I have gotten to experience Memorial Gymnasium numerous times. Memorial has always/will always be a special place to me. Family trips were planned around going to games. Entire weekends were spent in Nashville with the games at the center of it all. Memorial is one of those places that as soon as you walk inside you just feel different. The sights, sounds, and smells are just indescribable. No matter if the team won or lost, it was always a good time. A time that never got old. One that you looked forward to making the drive west on I-40 to experience. Memorial to me is a member of the family. A tradition that I look forward to year in and year out. But sadly this season I feel as though I’m losing that member of the family, if I haven’t already lost it. Going there back in December, while the aura of the historic building was still there, the atmosphere seemed a shell of what it once was. Memorial made me a Vanderbilt fan, I will never cease being a Vandy fan, but it breaks my heart seeing a piece of me in the state it’s currently in. Memorial Gymnasium, it’s more than a gym, or a sporting event, it’s a way of life!!
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