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Game thread Florida vs Vanderbilt (WBB) game thread

Official game thread for Florida vs Vanderbilt in the second round of the SEC Tournament, I am here in Greenville for that.

Vanderbilt's game will start 25 minutes after the Arkansas vs Auburn game is over, but roughly 7:30 CT.

Vanderbilt and Florida only met once during the regular season back on January 7th in Nashville. The Commodores won 63-57.

Baseball Not about Stack

As we head into another baseball weekend (please don't rain), something I have been wondering about. This is not just Vanderbilt, but why do umpires worry so about teams leaving the dugout to celebrate and greet players who have homered, scored, etc. Vandy always does this but not in any way does it appear to be directed at the opponent in an unsportsmanlike manner. Players also quickly return to the dugout and do not hold up play. I realize at the Hawk there is not as much room as other ballparks, but the players do not get near home plate. Is there a rule about this? It seems harmless to me, and it just does not seem like it is necessary to try to put a cap on the excitement and enthusiasm of the players.
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Championship Week for local schools - APSU advances to ASUN Final

Belmont beats Valpo in the first round of Arch Madness. They get four seed Northern Iowa tomorrow.

TSU gets Western Illinois in the OVC quarters at 6:30 tonight.

Lipscomb lost a heartbreaker at home to North Alabama in the ASUN quarters. Austin Peay gets 6 seed N Alabama in the semis tonight.

Peay head coach Corey Gipson has an amazing amount of energy on the sidelines. The APSU alum must be living the dream.
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Fire Candice Storey Lee - the first Black Woman AD - what an embarrassment

If she created this mess where she now cannot fire Jerry Stackhouse, she is undoubtedly one of the worst Athletics Directors in the country.

What an absolute shame that she was chosen to represent black women. I was proud of her being the first but she probably goes down as the worst.

It’s almost like Vanderbilt set her up to fail.

NIL damage

If the latest info is true and CSL has managed to fleece some boosters into giving Stackhouse NIL funds to try to turn things around because she screwed up with his contract, this could do future damage. Aside from losing even more fans, we risk losing future NIL funding from these boosters. They will throw this money out there and see it get wasted and then will refuse to do it in the future when we have a real coach. Most people with big money dont make the same bad business decision multiple times. They get burned once and learn from it and dont repeat the action that wasted their money.

Basketball Thursday morning coaching thoughts

Some of this is repetitive but I thought I'd reset everything as of last night's Kentucky loss.

- I have no new information this morning. I have heard nothing definitively as to whether Vanderbilt will move on from Jerry Stackhouse or not. Vanderbilt lost at Kentucky last night by 16 points after leading late in the first half. I don't know that this changes the case one way or another to move on but it can't help.

- I still don't know the exact buyout but again, my guess based on the information I have is in the $14-15 million range. I have one source who believes it's closer to $8-10 million. Either way, it won't be cheap. The buyout cost would be offset by Stackhouse getting another job somewhere but the man has all kinds of money already and isn't in demand as a head coach anywhere as far as I know.

- Could Vanderbilt take care of the buyout? Yes, I know of ways it could easily but would prefer to keep that info to myself to protect a source.

- If Vanderbilt does move on, my guess is that it would make a move some time on Sunday.

- Part 1 of why I'm guessing a Sunday timeline: The buyout, combined with whatever it would cost to get an established, sitting head coach elsewhere and buy that guy out, would be expensive. I just don't see Vanderbilt paying Stack $15 mil (if that's the case) to go away, and then spending millions more to hire away Shaka Smart or whoever. That's a lot of money to pay before next year's coach has coached a game.

- Part 2 of why I'm guessing a move would be made Sunday: If that's true, the target would probably be lower level coach--a Josh Schertz, Pat Kelsey, Ritchie McKay, Bucky McMillan, whoever, a coach who could be playing in the NCAA Tournament in two weeks. Some of those coaches will have their conference tournaments by the weekend. That gives a school like Vanderbilt a chance to get in position to spend next week trying to potentially lock a guy down.

- If it is a lower-level coach, and that guy has a run in the NCAA tournament, I'd expect the name to leak out during that run so as to get the school some publicity as it's happening.

- If they don't move on Sunday, it could mean a bunch of things. It could mean the target is someone who is coaching an at-large-caliber team. It could be they're getting cute with an out-of-the-box candidate somewhere. It could mean they're taking a wait-and-see if Stack makes a run in the SEC tourney. It could mean they aren't firing him. It could mean general incompetence. Anyway, if they don't make a move on Sunday (and I have no info they will, but just war-gaming this) then I'm going to have a lot more questions than answers.

- If they do make a move, I'd expect the committee to be Candice, Ena Patel and Trace Wilgus (the current basketball administrator) at a minimum. I've heard Tracey George's name dropped as a possible candidate; she's a university vice-provost for faculty affairs. Of that list, the guy I far and away trust with making good decisions is Wilgus; his reputation is that he's a good dude and a sports guy. I could see them putting a "sports person" on the committee just to answer that criticism, but I would expect it to be Shan Foster or someone in Candice's inner circle. Daniel Diermeier would be a part of things but speculation is that he could be "in and out" of the process and maybe not at the middle. Or maybe he is more at the center of things, I don't know. John Ingram has typically been on these committees but I don't know if he would be or not. There could be others; I'd just about take Candice/Patel/Wilgus to the bank with some Diermeier and presume a committee along the lines of academic folks/someone close to Candice.

- Again, it looks like this will be a Renaissance-led search based on recent movement but I do wonder about the small possibility of Diermeier pulling an emergency brake and using Parker (as the school typically has) or even Korn-Ferry.

I'll pass along anything else relevant as I get it.

Buyout After Next Year

So let’s say things proceed next year as they have this year if Stackhouse is retained - e.g., mass transfers, poor execution, bad recruiting, low attendance, fan apathy, etc.. Then what does the buyout look like? Is it still prohibitive? Is $10 million still too much? $6 million?

Said another way, if Stackhouse isn’t the guy, why not pull off the band-aid now? This grifter is literally going to destroy Vanderbilt basketball, and fans need to let those in charge know.
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Postgame quotes from Coach Jerry Stackhouse

Read these in Aria Gerson's game summary in the Tennessean.

"Everybody knows it's not the year that we wanted," Stackhouse said on postgame radio. "We had much better, higher expectations for the season. And I still feel that no matter who was out, we still should have won some games. It's just about the retention and application of what we're trying to do. We didn't do that enough. And I think that's not just on the younger guys, it's some of our older guys as well, but they're still fighting. They're still pulling for each other. They're still excited to play."

Perhaps his most realistic take all year. My apologies if these have been posted in other stories.

Basketball Tuesday morning coaching stuff

AKA "The Mixed Signals Edition."

- Perception in the coaching community is that Vanderbilt is making a change. I exchanged messages with two sources this morning. As I reported this weekend, two sources told me that Renaissance (a search firm) was speaking with Vanderbilt this weekend and one source told me that Herb Courtney (the head of Renaissance) was there this weekend for the LSU game. As one source said this morning, "Renaissance isn’t talking with agents and giving them updates unless they think there’s gonna be a search."

- As for Vanderbilt, well, that could be a different story. As I said this weekend, and I've gotten this figure from the industry as well as someone close to the Vanderbilt end, the perception is that the buyout is around $14-15 million. People familiar with how Vanderbilt does things do not believe Vanderbilt will likely pay that kind of money to someone not to coach basketball (my words there).

- My understanding is that, even after the Georgia loss, the conversations between Candice and the staff were around the staff being back--stuff like staff changes, NIL, recruiting philosophy and intensity of recruiting, etc.--stuff you would talk about if a staff is being retained. Perception among bigger boosters, from what I've been told, was that the staff was returning.

- Since then, Vanderbilt won at Arkansas and then lost to LSU. Did that change anything? I don't know why going 1-1 in the midst of a dismal season would but that's just me.

- There has also been some doubt from someone closer to the Vandy side about the reports that Renaissance was on campus being true.

- Kyle Smith's name has come up with this job a few times, FWIW.

I've got to run to my daughter's concert. Seems like I had something to add here but I can't remember it and will add it later if I do.

Anyway, welcome to my world of sorting all this out. And buckle up, I'd be surprised if we get any real clarity on this before the end of the season.
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