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Other Sports Vanderbilt women's basketball and the NCAA Tournament

ESPN's Charlie Creme updates women's basketball bracketology twice every week. It was updated this morning, and for the first time, Vanderbilt was left out of the bracket. Obviously, nothing here is set in stone, but I wanted to provide information and what I think needs to happen (although I am no expert).

The Commodores are are 57 in the NET, but with just 68 teams making it in the tournament, there isn't much room for error anymore. Despite the fact that they have now reached 20 wins, and won 3 of their 4 last games, this is the first time they have been left out all season. This is why, in my opinion, they need to win out.

Although one more win gets Vanderbilt to 8-8 in SEC play, neither of the two opponents left on its schedule are going to make the tournament, so a loss to either one of these teams isn't one that people would call a "good" loss.

It faces Missouri and Georgia in for the last two games. Vanderbilt beat Georgia on the road earlier this season, but lost to Missouri at home, which is the worst loss that Vanderbilt has.

Georgia (12-15, 3-11) and Missouri (11-16, 2-12) are at the very bottom of SEC standings, with a combined total of five wins in conference play.

Beating both of those teams gets the Commodores to 22-8 and 9-7 in the SEC. With a record like that, it is going to be a lot harder to leave them out of the big dance. That is also just the regular season record, so Vanderbilt could potentially add to the win column in the SEC Tournament. But by winning out these last two games, there is no way that Vanderbilt can finish with double-digit losses.

If Vanderbilt goes 1-1 in these last 2 games, it sits at 8-8 in conference play. Again, a team at 0.500 would be hard to leave out, but easier than if it won its last two. If the Commodores only won 1 of these last 2 games, I would see the committee wanting them to win a game or two in the SEC Tournament in order to put them in.

Worst case scenario is that Vanderbilt loses to Missouri and Georgia and gets left out of the NCAA Tournament since it has a conference record of 7-9.

Again, this is all speculation, but this is my idea of what I think needs to happen for them to get in the tournament, or what would happen that could cause them to miss out.

Nice article on David Price's career and Corbs' influence

I enjoyed reading this article on David Price's career in The Athletic. There are some good anecdotes from from Coach Corbin.

David Price, who once almost quit baseball, honed his craft and finished his story

Several chapters shaped David Price’s success as a 14-year Major League Baseball pro.

There’s the story of who he was on the mound. Price, who retired from MLB competition at the end of 2022, mastered the art of pitching as a 6-foot-5, 215-pound lefty who played chess with batters courtesy of two fastballs (two-seam and four-seam), a cutter, a changeup and a curveball. That variety was responsible for 2,076 career strikeouts and five seasons in which he recorded at least 200 strikeouts.

His 2012 season featured 211 strikeouts, a 2.56 ERA and an American League Cy Young Award. Price finished 20-5 that year and became the newest member of the Black Aces. He is still the most recent player to join the elite group.

“He challenged batters with, ‘Let me give you my best stuff, and I have confidence that I can locate it or I put enough of a wrinkle on it that you’re going to not square it up,’” former big-league outfielder and MLB analyst Doug Glanville said. “I just remember the aggressiveness of David Price with the attack mode, pounding the (strike) zone, being in there and trusting that his movement, velocity and location would get him through. He had all those things.”

It’s one thing to throw a pitch by a batter, but Price also knew how to eat up innings. He led the league in innings pitched in 2014 (248 1/3) and 2016 (230).

Price was crafty on the mound, but there’s also the story of how he made it to the majors. There was a time when Price — once a 19th-round selection by the Los Angeles Dodgers in the 2004 MLB Draft — considered walking away from baseball. He chose to attend Vanderbilt rather than sign a pro contract out of high school. Frustrated with his play at Vanderbilt in the early part of 2005, Price reportedly was ready to give up the game and work at McDonald’s.

A conversation with his college coach, Tim Corbin, kept Price’s mind on baseball and refocused on his confidence. That conversation not only led to an impressive college career — including the Dick Howser Trophy and the Brooks Wallace Award in 2007 — but also to Price getting selected by the Tampa Bay Rays as the No. 1 pick of the 2007 MLB Draft.

“The reason he was quitting is because he no longer wanted to go to school,” Corbin said on the “Baseball Bar-B-Cast” podcast last month. “He just wanted to work in fast food, and he wanted to drop everything.”

It was a decision that resulted in Price making millions while showing the sport his talent. In playing 14 years with five teams, he earned five All-Star appearances and won a World Series championship in 2018 with the Boston Red Sox. He also was named AL Comeback Player of the Year in 2018 after dealing with elbow injuries and being used as a spot starter and reliever the year before.

Price had an impact on the mound despite bouncing from four teams between 2014 and 2019. He won 15 games in 2014, splitting his time with the Rays and Detroit Tigers. He was part of a three-team deal that sent him to Detroit. The following year, he won 18 games, splitting his time with the Tigers and Toronto Blue Jays. He was traded to Toronto for three minor-league pitchers. Price signed a seven-year, $217 million deal with the Red Sox in December 2015.

Price led the majors in starts three times (2011, 2014 and 2016) and innings pitched twice (2014 and 2016). He also led the AL in strikeouts with a career-high 271.

“I watched all his games, and I had respect for him because he was a pitcher,” longtime manager Dusty Baker said. “I say that with the utmost reverence because he was not a thrower; he was a pitcher.”

“First, you’re like, well, he’s throwing fastballs,” Glanville said. “Then, you saw the movement. You started seeing the finesse.”

In addition to his championship with Boston, Price received a World Series ring from the Dodgers after their 2020 win — despite not playing after choosing to sit out because of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Price’s combination of velocity, location and aggressiveness made him tough for batters to decipher. Additionally, part of what made Price frustrating for batters was his pace. It led to the “David Price rule,” which requires pitchers to declare whether they’re pitching from the set position or the full windup if a runner is on third base.

“The pitch clock would have no impact on him. That never would have bothered him,” Glanville said. “He was rhythm, rhythm, attack, rhythm, just keep going. Give me the ball more quickly … that was his style.”

Price finished his career with the Dodgers in the 2021 and 2022 seasons. He was a spot starter and reliever in L.A., but by then, he’d already cemented his legacy as one of the best pitchers of his era.

For his career, Price won 157 games and compiled a 3.32 ERA. He also still holds the right to say he is the most recent member of the Black Aces.

It’s a great ending to the excellent story of a player who once decided against quitting the sport and went on to master the art of pitching.

“We just made a couple adjustments,” Corbin said of the talk with Price in college, “but it was the last time I ever had to talk to David Price about confidence again.”

Off topic Former Mid-State 4* Football Prospect Returns to Play Basketball

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Has been at Ole Miss for two years, but is transferring to Vol State to play basketball with reportedly four years of eligibility (redshirt and medical redshirt).

Groves was the 2022 State Basketball Championship MVP for East Robertson. He was offered by Vandy in high school for football, and he has family at East Robertson that are/will be highly rated football recruits.

Football Couple of things I wanted to share from my conversation with CCL friday

He really believes in Diego (who he called an ass kicker, I said dont worry coach Auburn fans know who he is) and Nate Johnson, especially with Tim Beck calling plays. They used the transfer portal to build this offense faster. They added some studs.I asked if he ever reads message boards and he said absolutely not. So I took the time to tell him that he won a lot of people back with is bold offseason moves. The S & C is going to be way better this year than last. They feel our freshman RB is going to be special. Newberry and Alexander are really good and well get to see them thrive in the offense. At times Ive been disappointed with CCL, but that man is a leader. He analyzed the holes in the program and took decisive action. He couldnt have been nicer. He signed my son's helment and took the time to talk to him. My boy has been an auburn fan but I think after meeting CCL, Tim, Beck, Jovan Haye, Justin Harris, and Melvin Rice and the kindness they showed him, I think hell be a dore for life.

(this is my assessment from conversations and not attributed to anything any coach said) The locker room last year was bad man. Alot of selfish guys who were a poison. Theyve transfered out.

Justin Harris: My opinion this young man is here to really kick up recruiting, he knows what the players look for. Its smart to have him on staff. Youll hear more about him in the future.Theyve got some serious studs coming in at WR. Big guys who are fearless. And they have a freshman coming in thatll show up early. Junior Sherril is the real deal, once fans get to see him more they'll know losing Humphrey's wasn't a big loss.

Jovan Haye: I cant say enough about this man. He's built like a super hero. My 11 year old son was completely in awe of him. He took the time to throw a quick recruiting pitch at him to make him feel special, even invited him to come see practice. I only wish I had more time because I wanted to pick his brain some more, his intelligence of the game is second to none. Just a really good man.

Melvin Rice: Our secondary is going to look alot different, we've added some real quality players, and the player from Eastern Washington is going to Suprise folks.

Tim Beck: He is so down to earth, I wish I could have had to time to talk about his offensive scheme. I think he realizes the SEC hasn't seen this offense and it'll give us some advantages early in the year depending on how well the players execute. Beck was the coach I was hoping we'd get so Im all in.

Jerry Kill: damn it, I didnt even talk to him. By the time I left I realized he was the only one I missed. I get the impression he is here to help mentor CCL. This man knows how to win.

Basketball Jerry will be fired this year

Or I’m 95% sure if it. Here’s why. All major college decisions at the vast majority of universities boil down to only 3 things: money, prestige, political capital.

Our basketball program is so incredibly toxic right now I’d argue at minimum it’s hurting 2 of those 3 and possibly all 3. Retaining Jerry would now diminish the political capital of Candice and DD. So he’s gone:

Off topic My history with Vanderbilt LONG

So many of you think I am a grumpy old man that hates Vanderbilt. Or a negative over a business deal. Neither are true.

I started dating my wife in 1982. Even though her dad could get me into any game free I got season tickets to football, basketball and joined the NCC in 1982. Vanderbilt was my life! Lived it everyday. Got to games hours before kick off. Walking in to that stadium was the highlight of my week. Maybe sad but true. I loved Vanderbilt! Her dad was a Metro Police Officer. As a side he did Security for coaches on game day and transported equipment for road games. He was on the sideline for every game from the early 1980s till like Mid 2000. He was close to every coach. Through him I got to know every coach. He had players over to eat at his house all the time. Because of that I got to hear coaches and players talk about how Vanderbilt treated athletics. They all loved Vanderbilt but were just speaking truth in frustration. I still keep going and being a rapid fan. Never missed a home football game, went to a lot of road games, missed few home basketball games, went to several away games.

Then came James Franklin. Like most of you that was three awesome years. I got to know him and his staff well. Sat in his office and talked to him one on one often. I heard his frustrations with recruiting, money, and even support staff in the AD. He would say he had to constantly push them just to get them to do their job and they hated him for it. This coming from
A man who often spent 18-20 hours a day on campus.

Then came Derek Mason, I hated the hire. His teams were totally embarrassed the first two games after back to back 9 win seasons. I did not attend a game the rest of that season after Ole Miss. After that year I did not renew my tickets. Slowly I found myself not as emotionally involved. I didn’t get really down with every lose. Still wanted them to do well just not my life anymore.

There was a time I thought I might go to games again. Then they hired CSL. That was the nail in my coffin. Do I still want teams. To do well? YES! Am I going to invest an ounce of emotion or a penny into Vanderbilt when they go out of their way to poorly run athletics? No. Do I believe Vanderbilt will ever change? History tells us it will continue to get worse before it gets better.

Most of you don’t care and don’t like me and that’s ok. Just wanted to put this out there.

Basketball Hey Candice Stack is now just in it for the money

At first, he was in it for 2 reasons: 1) to use it as a stepping-stone to the NBA 2) to get the UNC job. Now that those ships sailed a few years ago he just wants the money. He never intended to recruit, grind, put in the time…..thinks he’s above all that and just doesn’t care. No matter what he tells you. You know it’s true. Do you think he’s going to magically start putting in 12hrs a day and hit the road recruiting? He uses NIL as an excuse so he doesn’t have to put in the effort.

Now go hire a legit basketball coach and please don’t discriminate by excluding a candidate because he is a straight white male like you did for the Stephanie White hire. In case you need a reminder, this demographic comprises 97% of the wins in the sport. I’m sure DEI can go find something else to discriminate against in an effort to look busy and get that $.

Basketball Vandy’s slow adjustments🤦🏼

Was just reading this Matthew Fisher-Davis tweet that hit home:
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Before the 2020 football, season when COVID adjustments were being decided upon conference by conference; I remember thinking, this could be the first time ever Vandy might have an advantage. We are a smaller private school with a great healthcare affiliation. Vandy for once can get ahead of the curve, be quicker on their feet in adjusting to the medical realities, giving Clark and company a leg up on the bigger, slower, dumber state schools.

How wrong I was. When other SEC schools found ways to get large portions of their fanbases into the stands, we got to see stories about our quarterback’s family having to watch the game through the windows of their hotel rooms. And then, when players’ families and select fans were invited back into the game, they were all crammed into the damn section behind the closed endzone. Bunched together up there! I remember seeing that on TV and thinking is CSL trying to make us look like the dumbest people in the conference?

**It is incredible to see, in a coaching world where coaches stay who they are (eg DM running a 3-4 D even after taking over the most successful 4-3 Vandy D in modern history); that CCL has the lack of ego and abundance of smarts to see change was needed and to bring in outside help with a record of success!

Basketball I will put it to you this way…

Andy Kennedy is not the best college basketball coach in Alabama. Bruce Pearl is not the best college basketball coach in Alabama. Nate Oats is not the best college basketball coach in Alabama. It’s Bucky McMillan. It is only a matter of time before this statement isn’t ridiculed. Would y’all be happy with the former 3 coaches mentioned?

He has now won the SoCon for the 2nd year in a row and his 2 best players are out with injuries last game, this game and for the next couple of weeks. Doesn’t matter. His bench is 12-deep. Samford hoops was perhaps one of the worst college basketball programs in the country. Now back-to-back conference champs. Tied for the most wins in the NCAA with top-ranked UConn. Top-3 NCAA ranking in several offensive and defensive categories. He took Mountain Brook HS probably THE worst HS basketball program in the southeast to a literal dozen state finals or state championships in the state’s highest classification. He is a recruiting masterclass.

Buy stocks low before the run-up.

Vandy United

I don’t think I have ever seen the fan base/Vu community so united— my guess is north of 95% believe it is in the best interest of the program and University to move on from Stack.

This is why they CANNOT afford to NOT move on. If they don’t do it, I am not sure if they can recover. I know of so many people who like me, have had season tickets for decades that will not renew if he is back.

Here is to hoping they do the right thing, make a great hire and embark on a marketing campaign to contact ever ticket holder they have lost over the last 20 years.

Oh how we all long for a return of a packed house and Memorial Magic!!
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