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So I was in Birmingham this morning and happened to catch an interview with the chairman of the Selection Committee and he clarified something @Chris Lee continues to push (the narrative that we can’t make the NCAAT because of our computer numbers). I think Chris has 3-4 posts on this so far and I’ve probably even missed a few.

In a nutshell, the interviewee was asked about NET rankings and as discussed, he clarified that they don’t use net rankings to rank the teams or give them at large bids. They use NET rankings to look at the teams in question and their opponents’ NET ranking. Also not new info but continuing to reference our NET and KenPom rankings is only a small portion of how they use computer numbers. Further, and as we know, he explained how they look at Quad 1, Quad 2 records, etc.

Most importantly, he said that just because your NET ranking is 30th, that doesn’t mean you’re getting selected and just because your NET ranking is in the 70’s, that doesn’t mean you WON’T get selected. Note that Chris mentioned the lowest NET ranking ever given and at large bid was #73 I think.

In other words, we’re very much alive for an at large bid. We’ll have to play our way in but it’s doable based on our Quad 1 and Quad 2 record, which is pretty good now but obviously needs to finish somewhere between 4-1 and 5-2 down the stretch (including SEC Tourney).

4-2 in my mind puts us squarely on the bubble imho.

These are the 6 metrics they officially use for the selection committee
NET: 89
It’s primarily used for the quadrant system, still not a great number, but we can improve it. It’s the most important metric, however again they look beyond just the number and look at the wins and losses for each quadrant
Quality metrics: seen as “team efficiency”, these are the ones that lean less on the Ws and Ls and more on the analytics, are more “predictive
KenPom: 87
BPI:88
Sagarin: 78
Resume metrics: based more on the Ws and Ls and not how they happened
KPI: 51
SOR: 63
What does all this mean. Well it shouldn’t suprise anyone that the metrics based purely on resume are a lot better for Vanderbilt than the ones based on how it happened
Vanderbilt has one of the most stark good resume vs bad efficiencies I can find, besides a team like Mizzou who’s difference is almost 40 between the average quality vs resume. They’re resume metrics are around 28 while their quality is in the 60s. Their NET is 50 which is much closer to their efficiency. Why? Their resume is good because they have 19 wins, they have no bad losses, and they have some good wins. Why is their quality so bad? Well without getting into too many stats, they suck on defense, and have 5 blowout losses, including one by 30 plus and two by 20 plus.

What does this all mean part 2
The resume metrics are gonna be our strong suit and we certainly have a team that’s capable of winning close games. Everything is under the consideration of the committee, but we could certainly use some style points against UF and LSU to help us a bit more in the quality metrics

Ole Miss: 32
UT: 24
UF: 29
SCAR: 30
Auburn: 27

Averaging 22.6 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 3.4 bpg over those 5 games.

Legitimately playing like the best big in the country right now.

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Scored 18 while also leaving 14 on base!!

The announcers made it sound like it was 50/50 tonight between Auburn and Vanderbilt fans. That said, when they showed the crowd shots, it looked very much pro-Vanderbilt. Anyone who was there care to give an estimate?

As do a lot of us. Thank you sir.

Not super sure who this dude is, but he does brackets for USAToday. Has VU in the first 4 out. 🤷

I’ve got nothing else but the thread title. Crazy.

For all your research and studying of all the metrics. Whether we agree or disagree on things it leads to good discussion and educates folks on some ins and outs of some of the selection criteria.

Glad no matter what VU has put themselves in a position where we can discuss with hope.

Women just beat Lady Cats ! VandyBoys 2-1 ! Vandy Men 5 straight ! #AnchorDown !

Everyone talks about Liam. Has there been a better PG than Manjon in the SEC. I really think I’d vote him 1st team all SEC right now. Yea he’s not a good 3pt shooter. But EVERYTHING else you want in a PG he has to grade out A+ in.

Decision making
Defense
Clutch
FT shooting
Assists
Turnover - Assists
Low turnovers
Teammate
Leader.
Solid scorer

I mean seriously. What has he really not done well other than 3pt shooting.

I have been searching for 10-15 minutes and can't get anything definitive, but I do see St. John's made it in 2019 at No. 73.


Others please feel free to chime in here.

In 2F/2L only for 48 hours, so go get ‘em.

This is a good promo, for a change.

@Friedas_Boss @Chris Lee

RPI I think is the only computer ranking system that factored wins. I don’t believe any of the others do, and that is the problem. Their needs to be a win element added to all these computer metrics (well KenPom says they do, it’s the luck factor, which most yrs VU is upper 200’s or 300’s, several yrs it’s been top 10-20 in worse luck in the nation).

So all those folks on this site that says wins mean nothing for pitchers in baseball and is an irrelevant stat will be the ones that should think the computers have it right with VU. Because who you beat and who you lose to for most to all these computers isn’t factored and is why VU is where they are. Maybe KPI factors wins. If so that’s why VU is higher in that one. And why they are higher in RPI.

My opinion is you need to have some sort of win factor , because ultimately isn’t that what matters. I mean efficiency for example in the Auburn game isn’t changed really if VU wins by 2 or loses by 2. But our feeling after the gsme sure is hugely different.

Is the best C in the SEC. 1st Team All SEC.

And I tell you give me Manjon over SPJr.

Pat has Vandy # 3 after last night and Ron has Vandy #4....Both have Bama and Aggies 1 and 2

Vandy (15-12) - 89 NET, 4 Q1 Ws, 3 Q2 Ws (1 Q4 L) NET SOS 33/OOC SOS 141

Ohio St (11-15) - 58 NET, 2 Q1 Ws, 3 Q2 (1 Q4 L) NET SOS 21/OOC SOS 24

Florida (14-13) - 53 NET, 2 Q1 Ws, 1 Q2 W
NET SOS 49/OOC SOS 183

UNC (16-10) - 44 NET, 0-8 vs Q1, 6 Q2 Ws NET SOS 24/OOC SOS 7

Okie St (16-11) - 37 NET, 4 Q1 Ws, 4 Q2 Ws NET SOS 9/OOC 170

This thing throwing me for a loop more I look at it